In the first hour, George Knapp spoke with researcher and writer Micah Hanks about a range of topics related to unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), interstellar objects, and ongoing government investigations into these mysteries. Hanks, who co-founded The Debrief—a site dedicated to disruptive technology and science—emphasized the need for rigorous journalism and scientific inquiry in the UAP field. The conversation addressed our latest interstellar visitor, 3I/ATLAS, which has sparked debate regarding its bizarre behavior. Hanks described it as "extremely unusual" and noted that Harvard astronomer Dr. Avi Loeb has speculated it might be an artificial craft. "It's moving extremely fast... producing this sort of cloud or a haze... almost like a cometary tail, but it was in front of the object, which is a little counterintuitive." On government UAP investigations, Hanks expressed cautious optimism about the current All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Regarding the current director John Kozlowski, Hanks said he "seems to me like how I think you'd hope a scientist would be," and praised Kozlowski's acknowledgment of triangular craft that "can do very unusual things that are not consistent with any known aircraft."
In the second hour, filmmaker Darcy Weir explored the history and science of extrasensory perception (ESP), remote viewing, and their intersections with government research, non-human intelligence, and UAP. Weir traced the origins of government interest in psychic abilities to figures like astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who underwent psychic experiments using Zener cards after returning from the moon, achieving a 90% success rate. Mitchell's epiphany about universal consciousness and interconnectedness inspired further research, ultimately leading to the CIA and Department of Defense-funded Stargate program at Stanford Research Institute. Despite official claims that the program was terminated, Weir claims there's evidence suggesting intelligence agencies continue to utilize psychic operatives. He mentioned an audio session from 1973 featuring Ingo Swann channeling a non-human intelligence purportedly near the moon. The entity spoke of advanced scientific knowledge and hinted at a future revelation of their presence. Weir concluded that non-human intelligences interact with humanity selectively and may be exploiting us.
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In the latter half, physicist and management consultant John Priestland discussed uNHIdden, a non-profit that supports people harmed by UAPs. Priestland underscored the significant stigma faced by individuals seeking medical help, recounting cases where patients concealed their experiences or were outright dismissed by healthcare professionals. He cited Paul Sinclair, who hid his UAP-related injuries for fear of being labeled mentally ill, and Peter Corey, who was laughed at by his doctor after reporting physical marks allegedly caused by an encounter. "The stigma and shame prevents us from getting support... when we need to talk about this subject," Priestland said.
The discussion also covered the extraordinary 1977 Colares case in the Amazon, where UAPs reportedly fired beams that caused puncture wounds, producing symptoms like paralysis and hypothermia. Priestland described this as an outlier incident with apparent intent behind the injuries, contrasting with most cases where harm appears incidental. He also touched on the 1980 Cash-Landrum incident, where witnesses suffered burns and long-term health issues after encountering a diamond-shaped craft. The case went to court but was dismissed after government agencies denied any involvement or knowledge, which Priestland argued exacerbated public distrust and anxiety.
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Knapp's News
George Knapp shared recent items of interest, including articles about nuclear bunkers and ancient bones:
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- Skunk Works Introduces Vectis Stealth CCA
- Pentagon Accused of 'Intimidation' With New Restrictions For Journalists
- Inside the Nuclear Bunkers, Mines, and Mountains Being Retrofitted as Data Centers
- From Town Square to Twitter Feed: The Science and Politics of Hate Speech Moderation
- 14 winning images from the Ocean Photographer of the Year awards
- 1 million-year-old skull from China holds clues to the origins of Neanderthals, Denisovans and humans