In the first half, death and grief expert David Kessler offered his insights into the profound and often enigmatic experiences associated with dying and bereavement. He emphasized that grief is proportional to the depth of love, and underscored the strength found in expressing emotions, especially tears. He challenges the stigma around male emotional expression, noting firefighters who cried during 9/11 as examples of strength, not weakness. Regarding conventional notions of grief duration, he said, "How long will my wife grieve? How long will my husband, my sister, my best friend grieve? I always say, how long is a person going to be dead?" Kessler highlighted that grief evolves, and the goal is to "remember that person with more love than pain," a process that requires time.
The conversation also explored deathbed visions, with Kessler noting a high percentage of dying individuals report seeing comforting images, often of deceased loved ones, especially mothers. He described these visions as a "separation at that end between these clothes we wear, called our body, and that personality inside." Suggesting that these experiences offer reassurance, he characterized death not as an emptiness but a "fullness." He also differentiated between "practical grievers," who process loss quickly and move on, and others who grieve more deeply, urging acceptance of diverse grieving styles.
He explained the five stages of grief - denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance - citing Elizabeth Kubler-Ross (with whom he co-authored a book), but noted these stages are not linear. Kessler introduced the concept of "inconclusive grief," experienced when a loved one is missing, and the family lacks closure, describing it as "anticipatory grief... a living grief." Addressing therapy, he remarked that most people manage grief without professional help, but support groups, especially online, can provide crucial understanding.
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In the latter half, psychic medium and channel Leanne Thomas offered perspectives about her spiritual journey and work with the angelic realm. She explained that we all have a "spirit team" that watches over us, including guardian angels, loved ones in spirit, and even animals. Signs from angels, she said, often appear as feathers, coins, animals, or meaningful songs. Urging openness to these messages, she noted, "when we close ourselves down, it's so much harder to recognize that these things are happening to benefit us."
She discussed her dual role as a psychic and medium, focusing on connecting clients with their spirit guides and angels rather than predicting fixed futures. Speaking of her angelic oracle cards, her 44-card deck includes channeled messages and prayers she received directly from angels. Thomas clarified that angels do not want to be worshiped but serve as guides to help individuals "wake up from something, move in the right direction." On the topic of prayer and manifestation, she pointed out, "we still have to do the heavy lifting," highlighting that angels support but do not replace personal effort.
Thomas addressed the challenge of reconciling her angelic experiences with traditional religious concepts of God, explaining that she now understands God as "true source energy that weaves through everything." She acknowledged the presence of dark energies but emphasized that her work is firmly rooted in light. The conversation also touched on the vibrational qualities of places, noting that some locations - like California's Pacheco Pass or Skinwalker Ranch - hold denser energies due to historical trauma or other phenomena. In the last hour, she gave readings to callers, including guidance from the angels.
News segment guests: Mish Shedlock, Sandra Champlain