Tic Tac UFO Incidents/ Anthropology of Seances

Hosted byGeorge Knapp

Tic Tac UFO Incidents/ Anthropology of Seances

About the show

Kevin Day is a retired United States Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer, a former Operations Specialist and TOPGUN Air Intercept Controller with more than 20 years' experience in Strike Group air defense including war-time operations. He joined George Knapp to discuss his experience with the USS Princeton's Combat Information Center that discovered the fleets of anomalous air contacts, now known as the Tic Tac UFOs, in the skies above Southern California in November 2004. While working on the Princeton (a support ship for the USS Nimitz) on November 10, 2004, he noticed 8-10 tracks on the radar scope in the vicinity of the Catalina Islands. They were moving south at 28,000 feet and 100 knots, which is quite slow for something that high in the air.

The tracks traveled in a loose formation that resembled snowflakes falling in the sky and were observed on and off for several days. By November 14th, he became concerned because an air defense exercise was scheduled for the Nimitz, and the unknown objects represented a hazard for safe flight operations. From November 10th through the 16th, there were some 100 sightings of the unidentified formation by around 20 naval staff aboard the Princeton and other ships, Day cited. According to other radar operators, the craft at times fell straight out of the sky from 80,000 ft. to just 50 ft. above the water in a matter of seconds, as well as zoomed in from outer space to 80,000 ft. Day has written a slightly fictionalized account of his experiences in his book Sailor's Anthology, which can be viewed free online.


Dr. Jack Hunter is an anthropologist exploring the borderlands of consciousness, religion, ecology and the paranormal. In the latter half, he spoke about anthropology's engagement with the paranormal and Spiritualism, and the phenomena of physical mediumship. He approached his investigations without advance conclusions, using a stance he calls "ontological flooding," which entails an openness to multiple explanations existing simultaneously. "Given the fact that mediumship is so complex," he commented, "you really do have to start off with this blank slate perspective and just see where it leads you."

Hunter immersed himself in different groups to gain first-hand experiences as a participant, such as the Bristol Spirit Lodge, a small non-denominational gathering. During seances with the group, he had several bizarre and unexplained occurrences. On one occasion, he saw superimposed over the medium's face, a green mask-like form which resembled a Chinese monk. Another time, during an "open development" sitting, in which spirits could contact anyone in the circle, Hunter said he had a kind of mini out-of-body experience, and his left hand eerily began moving of its accord. Beyond just the medium, the other members of the group have a cumulative effect on whether seance is effective, he suggested.

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