George Knapp was joined by two renowned physicists who worked on the Pentagon's secret UFO study. First hour guest, Dr. Eric Davis described his role in the Pentagon program which has been front-and-center in the news since a New York Times article broke the story in mid-December of last year. He described his role in the Department of Defense program as a consultant who deduced by process of "scientific elimination" that some reported UFOs are not explainable as natural phenomena, advanced foreign technology, or misidentifications, and concluded that "all arrows pointed toward non-human origin." Davis worked for many years at Robert Bigelow’s "Skinwalker Ranch," examining data and witnessing paranormal events and UFOs. He concluded that the things he has observed are "not a natural phenomenon, so you’re pretty hard pressed to put science to it," at least in the classical sense of the term.
Second hour guest, Dr. Hal Puthoff, revealed what prompted the Department of Defense to initiate a seven-year UFO study. Puthoff described his background beginning as Naval Intelligence officer working for the NSA, to his studies in laser technology, and eventually as a pioneer in the study of remote viewing at the behest of the CIA in the mid-1970s. He defended the recent revelations of apparent government UFO disclosure and his role in Tom DeLonge’s UFO research organization as an effort to "put some sunshine on this area and get it out, so that it’s no longer a subject of ridicule." Puthoff discussed the recently released videos of apparent anomalous objects, and supporting evidence surrounding them, such as radar records and pilot descriptions. He said he had examined one of the pieces of metal that was announced in the Times article and described it as "layers of various kinds of materials that you wouldn't expect to be put together" as well as the unusual properties that are gained from this unknown method of materials engineering.
In the second half, authors and paranormal researchers Marie D. Jones and Larry Flaxman shared their fascinating look at Satan, evil spirits, and how the presence of dark angels continues to remain a part of our human experience. Flaxman said that in the Jewish religion there is actually no concept of a Devil or Hell, but rather a time of judgment and punishment, but that it is "not forever" and "is something to be embraced." Jones pointed out that Christianity and Islam share the concept of demons and fallen angels, and that Hinduism has its pantheon of evil or negative gods as well, while Buddhism seems to have no representative of supreme evil. Native American beliefs have no specific hierarchy of good and evil deities, said Jones, because Nature is seen as a central idea, but that "they do look at certain things as negative spirits as opposed to positive spirits."
Although Jones and Flaxman were careful not to inject their own opinions in their recent book, Jones protested the attitude some seem to adopt that anything inexplicable or seemingly paranormal has to be labeled "demonic" or "evil." When examining such reported creatures as aliens or Mothman, she said that we could simply "be dealing with inter-dimensional species that pop in and out of our world" with no intent to do us either good or ill, but that our fear creates this false impression. Despite the reports of malevolent entities known as the Men In Black, Flaxman says he does not believe in the accounts because they have only been mentioned "in the last 100 years, at the most."
George Knapp shared a number of items that have recently caught his attention, including a laser that could rip apart empty space.