Forbidden Science/ Pack Animal Abuse

Forbidden Science/ Pack Animal Abuse


HostGeorge Knapp

GuestsJacques F. Vallee, Susan Ash

During the first half, legendary researcher Jacques Vallee spoke about the new release of his diaries, written over 50 years and chronicling his explorations into UFO study, the early development of Silicon Valley, and the often brilliant people he has known and worked with. Vallee championed the idea of talking directly to witnesses, whom he called "my heroes," and pointed out that news reporters and UFO researchers often give a distorted picture of what is actually recalled and experienced by the witness. Vallee examined cattle mutilation cases in the 1970s as well as in later years, and still has no answer to the mystery, although he did state that some of them were apparently perpetrated in a way that would "send a message to the farmers and ranchers that this should not be talked about."

Vallee was also present (and helped to develop) both the birth of the internet (when it was begun as ARPANET) and the famous remote viewing (RV) program, both at the Stanford Research Institute in the mid-1970s. He recalled that the concept of "virtual addressing" – developed for computer communications – formed the basis for early methods of RV when he introduced the idea to Ingo Swann, the original staff psychic and co-developer of the program. Vallee concluded that remote viewing is "a very structured, very powerful ability that some people can develop." As for the future of UFO research, he believes that "If there is a breakthrough, it will be explosive and come from basic ideas in physics." He also requested that people contact him if they happened to find or have artifacts from what they believe to be UFOs.


Susan Ash joined the program in the second half. She is the founder of SAVE: Stop Animal Violence. For 14 years, she heard stories from people about the abuse of pack animals owned and used by the Navajo tribe in a popular area of the Grand Canyon known as the Havasupai. The horses, donkeys, and mules are used to carry food and supplies for tourists along the nine-mile trail to the bottom of the canyon, as well as on the return trip. The stories she heard so horrified her that at the beginning of 2016, she decided that she was going to do something about it, and began making calls trying to get some help and to educate herself about the issue. Animals are beaten, starved, denied water, and tied so tightly that whole pack trains occasionally fall into the canyon, often killing many.

Ash eventually got a meeting with the United States Attorney’s office in Flagstaff which resulted in a tribal owner of one of the horses being arrested for felony animal abuse. Ash said that "it was amazing that he [the animal] was still alive." Ash says that the arrest had little effect on the problem, which continues. She has found that the animals are run up and down a 9-mile trail in 100-degree weather, sometimes twice a day. She says many wranglers and owners will kick and abuse the animals to make them blind in one eye in the belief that this makes them more careful, afraid, and easier to control. Some say that the Navajo are a sovereign nation and outsiders have no right to interfere in their affairs. Ash said that when "people do terrible things, to some extent they lose the right to left alone." In May, George wrote and produced a feature on the issue.



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