In the first half, George Noory honored the late Nick Pope, former UK Ministry of Defense official and UFO investigator, who died earlier this year from esophageal cancer. Pope played a pivotal role in reframing the UFO narrative by promoting the term "UAP" (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) to shift the focus from pop culture and conspiracy theories to national security. Researcher Jason Martell, who toured with Pope on the Ancient Aliens Live Tour, reflected on Pope's legacy as a ufologist and civil servant, and shared personal anecdotes that highlighted Pope's sense of humor.
Brief guest appearances included his widow, anthropologist Elizabeth Weiss, who recalled their 15-year partnership as one filled with mutual respect and intellectual exchange, and recollections from Pope's colleagues, author William Henry, filmmaker James Fox, and Professor Paul Hynek.
In a past C2C appearance excerpt, Pope offered analysis on a series of high-profile events, including the Chinese spy balloon saga, congressional hearings, and reports from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. He characterized UFO disclosure as a gradual, process-driven approach rather than a single revelatory moment. Pope also discussed David Grusch, a former intelligence officer and whistleblower who testified under oath about secretive crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering programs related to UAPs.
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In the latter half, Victoria Gross, a paranormal investigator and medium, shared insights from her extensive experience exploring hauntings and spirit phenomena. She recounted one of her most unsettling investigations, which was featured on a TV show on Destination America. Known as the "Ghost That Screamed," it centered on a 1984 Minneapolis case where police photographs reportedly captured the spirit of a teenage boy killed in a car accident. Gross noted the images were developed without digital manipulation, and she believes they depict "the spirit that left the body at the time of the accident."
She differentiated types of hauntings, explaining, "There's residual haunting, which is like a video tape recorder, replaying past events," and "intelligent hauntings," involving conscious spirits. She also discussed "egregores or thought forms," negative energy constructs born from collective emotions or addictions, calling them "bottom feeders" that feed off the living's energy. Revisiting a chilling moment during an investigation at Fullerton's Plummer Auditorium, she described how playing an EVP recording from a former mortuary caused the atmosphere to shift, and "a hand just appeared over the balcony wall, just for a split second, and then it was gone."
Another unsettling experience took place at the Hollywood Wax Museum, where she encountered "a lot of strange energy" and "transient spirits" common in high-density urban areas. Gross explained how difficult it is to distinguish these spirits, pointing out that "we may not know who we're talking to, but we're getting the impressions… we really have to be very aware of our own body and our own mind." Despite the eerie encounters, she maintains a professional and empathetic approach, especially when assisting families affected by paranormal activity.
News segment guests: Mish Shedlock, Howard Bloom