In the first half, James P. Gray, a retired trial judge from Orange County, California, spoke candidly about his extensive legal career and his views on justice, politics, and societal issues. Regarding the gravity of the judicial role, he said, "You have to do justice under the facts and the law, but you also have to explain," highlighting the balance judges must maintain between decision-making and transparency. Reflecting on his time as a prosecutor and judge, Gray advocated for fairness and consistency in sentencing, proposing a system in which multiple judges would review cases to avoid arbitrary outcomes.
Critical of the current political polarization and erosion of civil discourse, he called for a return to informed voting and open dialogue, urging citizens to "educate yourself" rather than vote based on superficial factors. Notably, Gray revealed his early and public opposition to drug prohibition, holding a rare press conference as a sitting judge in 1992 to declare, "Our nation's policy of drug prohibition had failed." His book on the topic was endorsed by figures like Milton Friedman, George Shultz, and Walter Cronkite. Gray proposes regulation, control, and taxation of drugs to reduce harm and bring users closer to medical help.
On current events, he argued that U.S. military involvement in Iran lacks constitutional authorization, and called on Congress to demand a formal declaration of war and require the president to clearly outline objectives. Further, he condemned illegal military actions, such as seizing drug boats in international waters, calling them "an act of war" and "a crime," along with the kidnapping of the Maduros, since the U.S. is not at war with Venezuela.
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In the latter half, C2C's investigative reporter Cheryll Jones presented her interview with parapsychologist Dr. Gary Schwartz discussing "breakthrough scientific evidence" of spirit communication and collaboration through what he calls the SoulPhone. He described the SoulPhone as advanced technology designed to detect and interact with "post-material persons" (PMPs) —conscious entities who have transitioned beyond physical death. While practical devices for direct communication are not yet available, Schwartz asserted that his research provides "definitive proof of concept evidence" that consciousness survives death and can be detected and engaged using technology.
Unlike traditional methods such as Ouija boards or channeling, Schwartz emphasized that his approach uses "state-of-the-art technology under highly controlled experimental conditions" to directly detect spirit energy, eliminating reliance on human motor skills or subjective interpretation. A key aspect of his experiments involves collaboration with the "A team" of PMPs, including famous historical figures like Harry Houdini, Thomas Edison, and astronaut Edgar Mitchell. According to Schwartz, these entities participate in rigorous tests verifying their identity and conscious experience by answering specific true/false questions about their lives. The "B Team," he explained, consists of living researchers, including himself, his wife, Rhonda Schwartz, the lead evidential medium, and their colleague Mark Pitstick, who facilitate communication and increase the signal-to-noise ratio.
The research team also employs other mediums to verify identities of PMPs through controlled double-blind tests and artistic sketches. He places importance on rigorous scientific validation and peer review, stating, "We don't report or publish anything unless we've been able to replicate it multiple times." Regarding the future availability of the SoulPhone, the transition from laboratory prototypes to consumer technology remains uncertain, and may take months to years, Schwartz reported. During the last hour, he joined George and Cheryll live to take calls from listeners.
News segment guests: Jeff Nelken, Kevin Randle