Skinwalker Ranch Mysteries / FBI Undercover Cases

Hosted byGeorge Knapp

Skinwalker Ranch Mysteries / FBI Undercover Cases

About the show

Ryan Burns owns a piece of property, known as 'the southern vantage point,' which overlooks the infamous Skinwalker Ranch. Since living there, he has delved into the enigma of shapeshifting Native American dark adepts and interacted with precognitive plasma-like intelligences. In the first half of the show, he joined George Knapp to discuss why he chose to live by the Ranch and what he has witnessed going on there. "Just about every shot you see [of Skinwalker Ranch]... is from this property," he said. Burns described an incident which led to his fascination of the region and inspired him to move to a location where he could investigate the strange goings-on at the Ranch.

While driving one night he encountered an elderly Native American walking along the road and gave him a ride. According to Burns, he could not see the man's face in his car and was in tears within moments of picking him up. "It was almost as if this entity was just running through my Rolodex, all the highs of my life, all the lows of my life," he revealed. Burns recalled seeing a variety of aerial phenomena around the Ranch from his property, including lights that hover six to twelve feet off the ground and turn on and off. He admitted these lights have chased him on occasion. Burns also talked about holes in the sky in which objects go back and forth, craft that appear as black boxes shaped like refrigerators, and the Ute people's skinwalker legends.


During the latter part of the program, Herman Groman, a retired FBI Special Agent working secret operations as an undercover agent in the areas of organized crime and narcotics, discussed his undercover investigations, including the high-profile 'White Boy Rick' case. Groman outlined the different levels of undercover work in which he has been involved, including short term buy-bust roles, operations which last up to six months, and deep long-term work that can last for several years. "In order to be effective in this role... you try to pattern your undercover persona very much like your own personality," he said, noting he portrayed someone with connections who was smarter than typical street thugs.

Groman recalled working as an FBI agent in Detroit during the height of the 1980s crack epidemic, when he was putting together a case against the Curry drug gang. In the course of the investigation he was introduced to a young informant named Richard Wershe Jr., also known as White Boy Rick. Several homicides related to the case could be connected to the mayor's office and corrupt police officers, Groman reported. It became clear they did not want to solve the murders but instead wanted the informant, he explained, noting a judge warned him he'd go to jail if he did not reveal the source. White Boy Rick was ultimately convicted on drug charges and sentenced to life imprisonment without parole, Groman revealed, pointing out his most recent application for clemency was denied. "When you look back on the facts of this case the kid got screwed," Groman said.

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